EoJM Ladder

ShadowKen wrote:

Habanero wrote:The history repeats. Again lost my first Ladder game .
But this one was an ULTRA lucky game (lost on turn 9) - 3 invisible creatures.

I challange Baadshah_Khan. Lets see if you can pull something that crazy this time.

There is quite a rating difference between you and Baadshah at this moment.

I assume from your post you lost to Baadshah. I would propose to have that result entered first and see what the ratings are at that point.
I would still expect that the difference between you both will be bigger than 50, so Baadshah will be able to refuse if he wants to.

We played our second game too.
I have lost both, crazy stuff going on there ... LOL

And the FuN begins................

ImDoneItsOver wrote:And the FuN begins................

You can be sure of it...

As the order in which games are calculated influence the ELO gain/loss maybe it would be better that the games are immediately accepted, but the opponent can cancel it.

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Also,

I have entered my win (and it is confirmed) before my two loses agains BaadShah which results in me gaining less points and losing more which is not right.

An option to adjust the game order would be the right solution to this.

The Great Hab got invisibility-ed lol

What would you say Hab if I were to beat him ?? My one and only deck ATM has done quite well against Invis

Habanero wrote:As the order in which games are calculated influence the ELO gain/loss maybe it would be better that the games are immediately accepted, but the opponent can cancel it.

Good points you raise Habanero.

In the meanwhile i would advise to enter the results as the matches are played, even when you and your opponent agree to play back-to-back games.

ImDoneItsOver wrote:The Great Hab got invisibility-ed lol What would you say Hab if I were to beat him ?? My one and only deck ATM has done quite well against Invis

Never had problems with it.

But when your opponent pulls the combo at the same beggining of the match you can only cry.

I have played over 4000 matches, never saw this so you calculate the probailities of it.

But I made a mistake forcing to play with one deck that has no good record but I was sure it will work "some day". LOL.

Lost all ladder matches with it today.

Won against Myr.

Will enter the result after Baadshah enters our matches.

I must have been missing something, but how are games confirmed ?

Another question: Are EW games automaticaly included for Ladder ?

If not I guess it is regular that if both players agree to enter it as a Ladder match ?

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Habanero wrote:
Another question: Are EW games automaticaly included for Ladder ?

Yes and No

The EW games played affect your ELO score, but they won't count for the 3 vault credits that can be won every won with the Ladder,
as those are based on your actual Ladder games played in that month.

The fact that EW games influence as much the ELO score (eg. dozens is over 1200 already) is i guess debatable.

Current situation would allow someone to increase his ELO score mainly via EW games and as such still have a high ELO rating,
whereas he might be losing most of his Ladder games. If he does he will lose more points obviously, but still ...

So if you want an EW game to fully count as a Ladder game, then you have to enter it as well into the Ladder tournament module.

Habanero wrote:I must have been missing something, but how are games confirmed ?

The player winning the game is supposed to enter the result in the tournament module.

The player losing the game will receive an automated mail via which he can confirm or disagree with the result.
So confirmation is done via mail, and not via the site itself for those that are wondering.

That fact is that ALL tournament games can influence your ELO rating. For each tournament, I can define the so-called k-value which determines how large the maximum gain/loss is for each game. I could set for example the k-value for the EW games to zero, which would mean that EW games do not influence your rating. But if you are for example part of both the ELO Ladder and the Four Player League (or other tournaments), a game entered in one tournament influences the ELO score.

And this is the reason why: An ELO rating is meant to reflect a players' ability in a certain game (this case ELO) and not for one tournament only. That is the reason why I decided for one global ELO rating.

This also means that there is going to be a problem if players enter games player for one tournament also into the ELO Ladder as the ELO score is then updated twice! I am going to think about how to deal with this, but at the moment, it wouldn't be wise to enter the same game twice as it could increase/decrease one's ELO rating too much.

I am also going to think of a solution regarding the order in which games are confirmed and how that affects the ELO score differently. The most simple solution is that you enter the game results immediately after having played the game and that the player who lost immediately confirm via the e-mail he receives. The idea of automatically confirming a game and later rollback if it is disputed would also not work. The rollback would also influence all games player after the disputed games. So neither situation is totally safe. The only safe way is as mentioned that games are entered immediately after playing and also be confirmed/disputed immediately.

I am still a bit confused.

If I play a EW game against an opponent on Ladder the ELO will be automatically calculated and it MUST not be entered via Ladder ?

If my opponent is not on Ladder it has no influence on my ELO ?

Why is the confirmation done via e-mail ? Is it neccesery ? Is the ELO calculated after the confirmation ? If so, the looser could have influence on the order and the ELO by not confirming on time.

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At this moment ALL games reported via the new tournament module influence ELO rating,
and i'm not mistaken currently they have all the same K-value.

As such entering a result twice (once EW and once Ladder) would benefit the winner twice in ELO,
but would allow the loser to increase his total of Ladder games played and number of different opponents
which are parameters for the monthly Ladder prizes.

Again ... be sure to agree upfront with your opponent for what the result of 1 match will be used, certainly with how results have to be submitted and confirmed.